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So Zak may look the wounded soldier but the dog with it really bad is Tara. For a while Tara has shown sporadic lameness in her back legs especially on getting up from being asleep. Initially we thought it was poor circulation from lying on the leg, massage seemed to clear it up. Recently it has become worse and is evident in her left back leg. These kinds of signs are always worrying in a large breed and especially when Wolfhounds have a history of joint problems.

A visit to the vets this morning and the vet thinks that she has a Cruciate ligament rupture (the same as sports people get). This is likely to have either been caused by landing badly or a slow degeneration of the ligament. Given it has crept up on Tara I guess that it is due to her size and breed.

Tara will be going for an X-ray tomorrow to confirm what the problem is. I presume that they will look at both knees as if it is breed rather than injury related it may be present in both legs.

In essence the problem is that the ligament is the one that stops the thigh bone from popping out forwards. Although it is not serious at the moment if not treated the joint will bow outwards damaging the bone and cartilage causing osteoarthritis.



According to the vet (and my research on the web) there are 2 treatments.

The first which is only really done in small dogs is to put a tieback in place, but this is not likely to work in a dog the size of Tara.



The other and the one the vet is recommending is to take a bit off the bone so that the knee is pushing down flat rather than outwards (Tibial plateau levelling osteotom). The TPLO surgery levels the tibial plateau and eliminates the need for the ruptured cranial cruciate ligament.

This will make the leg more stable and arrest the decline. This appears to have a reasonably high success rate but will require 8 weeks of lead exercise and slowly building up the leg. This in Tara could be hell as she is an incredibly active dog and gets very frustrated when she can't run and play.

Obviously the x-ray tomorrow will tell us if this is the problem, but the vet was pretty certain.

Has anyone else had any experience of this problem?

One solution for post op recovery is hydrotherapy (if we can get the vet to refer us). This may give Tara the exercise she needs and I have found a place in Fife http://www.caninehydrotherapycentre.com/ that does it. Has anyone used hydrotherapy?

Just a bit scared as the surgery sounds like a big thing.

Claire

-- Edited by silverhippo at 13:37, 2007-12-04

-- Edited by silverhippo at 14:28, 2007-12-05

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Hi Claire,

I'm sorry to hear that Tara has developed this problem and you will face decisions regarding surgery.  I know of someone whose dog had an operation on each hind leg for a cruciate ligament problem.  The op was done on one leg at a time  and the results were successful (although I don't know what method was done).  I believe the dog had the problem for a while before the ops and walking became painful.

Our vet has a hydrotherapy pool although we have never used it I believe it's a gentle form of exercise to build up strength in the affected limbs.

Hope all goes well at the vet tomorrow.


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Sorry to hear of Taras problem,I know of two hydrotherapy pools which I can reccomend,one at kilwinning and one at St. Boswells in the Borders,the one at Kilwinning is for dogs,they also have a horse spa,the one at St. Boswells is owned by good friends of ours.I'm off to the vets but if I can be of any help I can pm you all the details later,swimming does help I had a paralysed dog who moved her hind paw the first time she went into the pool,it really helped build up her hindquarters and she did eventually become mobile again,she loved lying under the lights to dry off in fact she became very cheeky and would go and lie under the lights before she had been in the pool.Let me know if you would like the info.

Rachel.

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Sorry to hear of Taras problem,I know of two hydrotherapy pools which I can reccomend,one at kilwinning and one at St. Boswells in the Borders,the one at Kilwinning is for dogs,they also have a horse spa,the one at St. Boswells is owned by good friends of ours.I'm off to the vets but if I can be of any help I can pm you all the details later,swimming does help I had a paralysed dog who moved her hind paw the first time she went into the pool,it really helped build up her hindquarters and she did eventually become mobile again,she loved lying under the lights to dry off in fact she became very cheeky and would go and lie under the lights before she had been in the pool.Let me know if you would like the info.

Rachel.



Thanks for the info.  We need to find out what can be seen from the x-rays but if she does need an operation I will get in touch for the details as I think that swimming should be an ideal way for her to regain mobility.

Claire

 



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Poor Tara. good luck at the vets I hope there is an easy solution. Surgery scares the life out of me. Baillie has had both back legs done and the results have been good, the 'rest' part was the hardest. I still hold my breath if he starts running after somethingweirdface

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Don't envy you having to make a choice. Hopefully the news from the vets will make it easier to decide, one way or the other.

Our old Myrtle damaged her c. l. at Easter this year (fell coming into the house). The first vet to see her thought that, because of the extreme lameness, she'd need an operation, but, fortunately, with time, rest (much easier in a 13 year old!!!), and painkillers, it tightened up by itself and now she only limps very occasionally!

Good luck with your next few days!

Hugs to Tara

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Claire so sorry to hear about Tara,s problem. It must be very difficult playing the waiting game but whatever the outcome I am sure you will make the right decisions for her. The very best of luck and our thoughts are with you. heart.gifNora

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Poor Tara - sorry to hear about her tribulations. I hope you manage to get it sorted out. Thinking of you all. aww.gif

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Poor Tara...I hope everything works out ok.

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Poor Tara and Zac. You're obviously doing all the research and will be well-informed to make the right choice. Good luck in your decisions and give my hugs to the dogs x

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My dog Lulu ruptured the cruciate ligaments first in her left leg and then her right leg. She injured the left leg back in April. The surgery was very successful and her recovery has been great. She uses the left leg perfectly well and does not have a hint of a limp. However, she then ruptured the right knee and the recovery has not been anywhere near as successful. She has to go back to the specialist on Monday and I really fear that she might require more surgery as one of the pins has moved.
The photos below show the extensive surgical procedure that she had carried out here in Spain.


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Tara has now had her x-rays and the vet has confirmed that the right knee is perfectly fine but the left knee has a cruciate ligament injury. The fluid sack is burst and there are the beginning signs of cartilage damage.

The vets have recommended that she have the Tibial plateau levelling osteotom TPLO. So Graham and I have made the decision that she will go in for her op on Friday.

We should get her back on Saturday morning. One of the vets at the surgery is an expert in dog physiotherapy so will be showing us some stretching exercises for the leg. The vets are also happy to refer us for hydrotherapy as this should help in the recovery process.

Good thoughts for Tara on Friday please. I trust our vets but I still find this very scary I am currently sitting at work trying not to cry as I work in an open plan office.

Claire

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Claire have faith, your vet knows what he is doing and I am sure Tara will be fine. It is such a shame that this has happened in a dog so young, but her youth is the very thing that will help a quicker recovery. All the very best on Friday and we will all be sending healing thoughts Tara,s way. heart.gif Nora

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Get well soon TARA

Max missed you at the walk hopes uor fit again soon so also hope Zak necks getting better

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Best wishes for Friday, I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end. I'm sure recovery will be quick, with all the love and attention Tara and Zak will be getting over the next few weeks. Here's to a pain free knee for Tara's Crimbowink

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Best wishes for your lovely girl. Look forward to hearing that she's home with you and on the road to recovery and a pain free 2008. Will be thinking of you all on Friday. smile.gif

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Thanks for all of your kind words and support.

I am usually very calm about things but I think that this has me completely freaked out. I suppose that the two things that have me worried the most are how to explain to Tara that she had a slightly sore knee and we took her to the vets and she now can't walk for a few days and will take 6 months to recover and can't get off the lead. Anyone who has seen Tara run and play will know that she is a vibrant energetic dog who loves to run. The thought of confining her to lead walks is very difficult.

The other thing that freaks me out is the procedure. I have been reading up on the exact operation http://vetsurgerycentral.com/tplo.htm. The thought that we are taking a dog with a slight limp and fixing it by essentially breaking and re-setting the leg complete with steel plate is difficult for me. On an intellectual level I understand what the operation is doing and what it achieves. It just seems so drastic even if it is what the vets recommend.

Claire


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It sounds like the same thing that Lulu had done. The first couple of days she was unhappy but in no time she was pottering around. Her left leg has been a great success and worth all the time kept on a leash and being prevented from being her usual lunatic self. Indeed her left leg supported her perfectly and without any apparent discomfort when her other leg was operated. Her right leg suffered a knock early on in recovery when she fell whilst trying to climb up two steps between the lounge and the kitchen.
The best advice I can offer is to be very watchful during the recover period and make sure she does not over do it on the leg or fall. My mistake second time around was to take my eyes off Lulu for two minutes and that is when she fell and moved the pin.
I'll be thinking of you on Friday. I have been through it twice over and know what a worry such extensive surgery is.

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We'll be thinking of you all tomorrow, what a worrying time, sending positive thoughts for a successful operation and a quick recovery for both Tara and Zak.

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We will be thinking about you guys tomorrow.
Marie & Mason

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Will be thinking of you all tomorrow.  Hugs to Tara.



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Good luck to Tara - hope the surgery goes/went well.

I realise this is probably not much comfort, re the limited exercise bit, but our vet told us that working collies often damage their cruciate ligaments, but very rarely need the expense of surgery cos the farmers just shut them up in their kennels for the 6 weeks or so that it takes to heal! I think lead walking for 6 months is kinder, don't you? Definitely kinder mentally. These dogs must be absolutely miserable - no exercise, smaller food rations to compensate, no stimulation, etc etc. I'm sure Tara will be much happier with her lot.

Did that help? Probably not!

All the best anyway.

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Just heard that Tara is out of surgery and the vets feel that it has gone well. She is now in recovery and will spend the night at the vets on a morphine drip and we will collect her on Saturday morning. At the same time we should be speaking to the vet who will be doing Tara's physiotherapy and learning what to do, exercises etc. Now begins the long healing process.

So away to get ready for the work Christmas party tonight.

Claire


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Get your dancing pants on and let your hair down, just try and avoid too big a hangover for the morra. Tara will be awfy glad to get home, have you still got your two fosters as well?
I'm sure Tara will be up on her LONG legs in no time, best wishes to Zak.
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Good to hear that all went well for Tara,no getting up on the bed with you on the weekends for a while I suppose,but I'm sure you will just be glad to get her home,enjoy your party,I hope it helps time to pass and before you know it you will be going to collect her from the vet.Give her hugs from all here.

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Glad to know that Tara's operation is over.

I wish her lots of luck for a very full and speedy recovery.

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Good to know that operation went well.

Hope she has a speedy recovery, Big Hugs

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Glad the op went well, I'm sure you will be itching to get the big girl home this morning - despite any party hangover.
Hope she isn't too sore and bounces back quickly.
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Glad to hear that the surgery went well, give her big hugs from all of us when you pick her up today.

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