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Some advice needed please - (also bit of a rant!)

On Boxing day a couple of hours after being home from about an hours (lead) walk Morse got up limping and not weight bareing on his front right paw. I thought he was just a bit stiff but by the next day he was still limping. I managed to get a vets appointment for later that day and despite being the only person in the waiting room and seeing two vets milling about behind the reception desk we had to wait about 10 mins to be seen. By the time we got into the consultation room Morse's right shoulder had started to tremble slightly, I presume because it was getting tense from having been holding the paw up for so long. The vet had a prod about his paw, felt his shoulder and diagnosed something wrong with his shoulder (on the basis that the muscle was tense) and prescribed a weeks worth or Rimadyl "to see how he gets on!"

The next day he seemed fine and I took him for a fairly long lead walk on the beach but the following day he started limping again, especially after he's been lying down for a long time. I reduced his exercise for the remainder of the time he was on the tablets but the limping didn't seem to ease so I booked another appointment for the following day. Within 3 hours of him taking his last pill his paw had swollen up to twice its size. We saw a different vet this time and he said it was definately the paw (wrist joint) and probably arthritous (Morse is 9 next month) so he prescribed Rimadyl for over the weekend. There was a marked reduction in the swelling but he continued to limp so come Monday morning I was on the phone to the vets telling him the situation and that now the paw had started to swell again. He mentioned the option of getting it x-rayed but then prescribed another weeks worth of Rimadyl, suggesting it was a very bad flare up of arthritous. I checked the paw again before going to collect the pills and the swelling was now more localised. A pea sized bump just above his third toe and swelling of his first toe. I collected the tablets and booked him in for an x-ray the following morning (yesterday). The x-rayed was absolutely clear - no arthritous and no fracture - nothing! He said it was a possibility that there was something tiny trapped inside the paw and to bathe it in warm water and continue with the Rimadyl i'd collected previously.

Morse didn't appear groggy when we got home so I took Ozzy out for a very quick walk, leaving Morse alone in the house for 10/15mins. By the time I got back Morse had chomped his way through the paperbag and through the plastic bottle containing his weeks supply of tablets, that I'd left on the kitchen counter! He hadn't eaten all day and I guess he thought a life without food just wasn't worth living! Back down the vets we went (thank heavens they're close by and I hadn't been out too long) for an injection to make him sick, a heavy course of gut soothers and a replacement bottle of Rimadyl to be started this morning. We were told to keep a very close eye on him for the next few days as he had ingested such a high dosage and it could lead to liver and/or kidney failure and ulcerations. Morse was very wobbly last night and still limping with his swollen paw. He seems to have puked all the Rimadyl out and has to take the gut soothers 1 4 times a day for the next 4 days in conjunction with the Rimadyl that he was suppose to start this morning. I am now reluctant to give him the Rimadyl incase it causes internal problems and I don't like the idea of him being on so many strong drugs at the same time. I will start him on the Rimadyl tonight but wanted to give him longer to get over the events of yeterday. In hindsight, I wish i'd asked for an alternative to Rimadyl.

I don't like the fact that the Rimadyl is just reducing the swelling and not addessing the real problem which the vet can't find. Poor Morse has been in pain for two weeks now and we don't seem to have gotten anywhere. I'm think about taking him to a different surgery for a second opinion as I feel we need an accurate diagnosis that can be treated accordingly but should I wait to see how he is after yet another week on Rimadyl? At the moment he's not suppose to be walked at all but he shouldn't be lying down for too long either, as movement will help reduce the swelling. Try telling this to a geyhound!

Any advice greatly appreciated!



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Oh dear. Sorry to hear about all of this. I would probably get a second opinion as it sounds as if you are just not happy with what has happened so far and that is perfectly fair. X-Rays cannot pick up everything, particularly small things. Last year Tigerlily was limping for a while and there was no obvious reason even after x-rays. We ended up on Rimadyl as well and were told it might be arthritis. However, a week later it took an ultrasound to work out that there was a pine needle from the Christmas tree that had worked its way into the pad. It didn't take long to fix that. Hope things work out okay for Morse.

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I'm really sorry to hear about poor Morse. It was lovely to meet you and him in person last weekend in Torrance. He's a handsome big fella. I know you expressed some concern about his sore paw when you were talking to Rachel, Charles and I.

Sorry I can't help but I really hope that you get to the bottom of the problem soon and he's back to his usual self soon.

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What a time of it Morse and you are having. Sorry to hear whats been happening, I certainly would not give him any more Rimadyl until at least tomorrow evening and it is obvious that you are not happy with how your vet has handled things so get another opion. You are the customer and you pay to get results to help your dog so go with your gut feeling, it could be something very simple so better to find out soon, two weeks is a long time without proper instructions or diagnosis. hmm Nora

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Thanks for the replies and taking the time to read my long winded post. Ive given Morse a Rimadyl this evening as the vet did prescribe them to be used with the gut soothers and they may have a negative effect if there is nothing to soothe.

This is how the paw looks today:





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Poor Morse. I agree a second opinion might be a good idea, especially after him having all that rymdal. They should be trying to find out what the cause is, not just treating the effcts.

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ouch! that looks really uncomfortable! poor Morse! cry.gif hope he's on the mend soon.

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Oooyah, poor lad. Really hope this gets sorted out

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That looks quite similar to what Sally has suffered from twice, the first time it went away prior to visiting the vets, the second time, it wasn't quite as swollen as Morse's but the vet took one look squeezed it with his finger and out popped the biggest seedweirdface.gif, he says its quite common especially if your dogs runs in long grass, she had to go in the next day and got knocked out so that he could get right in and give it a really good clean and ensure there was nothing left, she was on lead rest for a week, she has had no further problems.
Hope Morse is back to is old self soon.

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The paw is also very similar to one Cas had and it was from an infection to a tick, know that might not help. hmm Nora 

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Morse has had 2 tablets now and the paw is just as swollen as yesterday. Hopefully the bathing in warm water will bring whatever it is out or at least to the surface. I feel so much more reassured that this is what it is having read that other dogs have had a similar thing.

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i suppose its similar to humans- an x-ray will only show an outline of a joint, nothing more. it might be that the swelling has to go down a bit before the vet can see/feel whats in there.

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Unfortunately Morse's paw is even more swollen today and he seems really down in the dumps. I've been back on the phone to the vet enquiring about getting an ultrasound done but he doesn't seem to think it will reveal anything. He's suggested a course of antibiotics but we're taking Morse in tomorrow morning so he can have another prod about. Fingers crossed we'll get to the bottom of the problem then.

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I would definitely be pushing the vet for further examination, if its swelling its more likely to be infection from something. Mason gets arthritis in his front wrist in the winter and it never swells like that, however I had him at the vets in a panic a couple of months back after his foot had swollen up overnight and a close examination by the vet found a tiny shard of glass embedded right in the centre of his pad.
I had a look the night before when he stopped putting it down and could see absolutely nothing.The only indication to the vet was when it was heavily infected and she pressed firmly and pus oozed from the pin prick hole.
Once it was removed the antibiotics kicked in within 24 hours. Arthritis may be an easy explanation based on Morse's age and breed, but that doesn't make it the right one. Demand further investigations.
Hope Morse feels better soon!
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Sorry to hear about Morse's sore foot.   I hope you got somewhere with the vet today. 
When I first saw the photo without reading the other posts, I also thought of of infection which I'm sure could be helped with antibiotics, but very understandable that you need to know what is causing it.

If you still feel you aren't getting anywhere, I think a second opinion at another vet is in order.

Fingers crossed that he will be better soon.



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The vet had another look at Morse's paw yesterday. It is HUGE, completely swollen underneath all the toes and now it has started to swell beyond his wrist joint. He is so good at the vets (once in!) really tolerant of all the pushing and poking and just stands there quietly. The vet is treating it as an infection so now Morse has antibiotics to take as well - He's on more drugs than Pete Docherty!
I feel a lot happier with the vet, he's gone through all the possibilities with me but it is bit of a mystery. It' now a matter of proces by elimination.

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Poor big fella. Hope you get to the bottom of it soon. smile.gif

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Good to hear that Morse is now on antibiotics hope this can make a difference and the vet can get to the bottom of the problem, good luck. smile Nora

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Awww poor big boy,he's such a lovely lad,do you give him live yoghurt?it'll help his tummy and replace the good bacteria that the anti- biotics kill off.Do you soak his foot in salt water?I don't know know if it's appropriate in his case but I know I was told to do it when one of my boys had a swelling on his back paw.Hugs to the big fella.xx

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Hi
A few weeks ago William was limping and when Vet saw him she managed to extract an amount of pus from one of the pads on his right paw.   Initially she tried a combination of Marbocyl and Synulox to see if it would clear, but when it didn't she operated and at first couldn't find anything although as it turned out she was in the right area.   She x-rayed while he was still under and found a tiny fragment of glass that was not visible to the naked eye.   She took further x-ray afterwards to check that no glass was remaining.   He had to have 3 stitches and subsequently is on combination of Synulox and Rimadyl.   Rimadyl finishes tomorrow and he goes back to see her again on Thursday - he's still limping a bit.   He has to continue on Rimadyl for a week after tomorrow.

Like many of your previous respondants I think you should seek a second opinion.  

Hope your poor dog gets better soon!


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Your poor boy, this isn't half dragging on. You must be beside youself, it's really hard to watch them in any sort of discomfort or pain. I hope it doesn't take long to get this sorted. It's cool that he is so good in the vets, I used to work for a vet and the greys are known for being easy to handle and treat. Big hugs to Morse.

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I'm sorry to hear that poor Morse is not getting any better, he is such a lovely, gentle boy. I really hope your vet can find out what is wrong and he gets better soon.

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Good news - Morse has only one tablet left to take and his paw is back to normal size, except a small bump where the vet clipped his fur. He is walking well and i've been gradually building up the length of his walks again. He seems so much livelier (slight exaggertion perhaps!) and was back at work with me for some of the day today. Hopefully whatever it was has run it's course now and we'll have no more problems.

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Thats great, you must be very relieved. Hope things continues to improve. biggrin Nora 

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That's great news. Here's hoping that's the worst of it over and done with. Poor lad - he's been very patient and brave. aww.gif

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Yaaaay for Morse. Am chuffed for you and your boy. haven't met him but from what everyone has posted he sounds lovely, placid and gentle for example....aaah, how cool would that be? Ah well.

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Great news for you and the big lad,hope the improvement continues.smile.gif

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Great news. Keep us posted on his full recovery x

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Good news, hope that's the end of it for the big fella.
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Hope thats the end of it and he's all sorted now. No doubt he'll be up to going back to his 'work' soon, visiting all the old folk and making their day!! smile.gif

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