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http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/brianmonteith/-You-can39t-trust-beauty.3735237.jp

Brian makes some ill-informed comments on greyhounds here.

SO, there's to be an attempt to bring greyhound racing back to Edinburgh by private businessmen installing, at their own cost, an extra surface surrounding Meadowbank's athletics track? I, for one, would go along to watch and have a punt. It's a wonderful spectacle, a good night out and a fun way to relieve yourself of a small amount of money, although the odds are far better than the Lottery.

Greyhounds are bred to run and to race. Those concerned about animal rights should recognise that if there were no race tracks there would be far, far fewer greyhounds (or whippets). Indeed, such is the exercise they need, few people would want to keep them and greyhounds could become a threatened breed.

Still, I do foresee problems. Anyone who remembers the nights out at Powderhall will no doubt recall with great fondness the supper in a basket followed by trays of foaming ales and continental lagers brought to your warm, comfy seats - none of these attributes can one associate with the cold, damp stand that is Meadowbank Stadium. Such is the howling wind chill factor blowing off the Queen's park that you wouldn't need ice in your rum and coke.

If greyhound racing is to prosper at Meadowbank they will need to think about installing some removable bars and sofas under the stand for use between each race but mutton pies can't be allowed. Punters will always be tempted to throw one the way of the four-legged favourite, so spoiling the race for the bookies who will put the money up in the first place!

You would have thought that if your thoughts were to be published in a newspaper you'd make sure you got your facts right, though he's probably being deliberately antagonistic.

This may be more suitable in another thread, but here are my thoughts on the issue;

I would love greyhound racing to come to Meadowbank if there were guarantees that the dogs were treated humanely. Am i being naive to think that such a thing might be possible? Would it be possible to keep a fairly large number of dogs on-site, make sure they were well kept and looked after and close the stadium off to other dogs? The problems would be the upkeep of the dogs (presumably not much of a problem if the place was making money) and the predictability of the outcome of the races if there weren't a large number of dogs to draw upon. Both of those problems could be overcome.

My worry is the sinister side of the betting world that may not tolerate a 'closed-off' stadium.

If it were possible, I'd love to be involved in it in some way. I know that the racing industry has done some terrible things to greyhounds and mentioning that I'd like to be part of it makes me feel like a bit of a traitor...but I can imagine how things could be done in a way that worked out so much better for the dogs.

Any thoughts?

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Laws about the treatment and up-keep of these graceful dogs should be put in place to protect them from the money hungry trainers and owners who have no care about the dog unless it is a sure winner. There would be no outcry about the dog racing if it weren't for the abuse these dogs get if things dont work out for the owner/trainers, these dogs, if bred for racing, should cost as much as the horses do, that way the b******s will think twice about throwing away £150,000 animal. Lets face it, you dont come across abused and abandoned race horses in the middle of the motorway, horses with there ears cut off and dumped at the back of the track.................. i'm sure the bloke was just trying to annoy those of us that care about these dogs but lets get real, this is no longer a laughing matter
Rant over

-- Edited by Rowen at 13:29, 2008-02-04

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Denise

Can you ask Rowen if he would like to be kept in a kennel and taken out to race for his life!

Or is he enjoying his time with you and the kids lounging about and going for a leisurely stroll, so long as it's not raining, of course!

I think I know which option he would prefer.

Unfortunately these fabulous dogs don't get a say in their fate.



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Firstly I think that yes the person writing the article should have got his facts right. The line that annoys me is "Indeed, such is the exercise they need, few people would want to keep them and greyhounds could become a threatened breed." So where did he get the idea that they need loads of exercise. This is just the type of ignorance that we at GAL have been trying to clear up and here is someone putting in the paper that they need loads of exercise. On the other hand he does us a service that he makes going for a night at the dogs sound like something that is done by selfish beer swilling blokes. An image the racing industry keeps trying to throw off with initiatives aimed at young people (Ann Summers sponsoring race nights to get young women involved).

I think that if there was the correct legislation in place maybe things would be better but it would have to be across the whole industry. If every dog had to have a retirement trust fund before it could race to make sure that it would be cared for in the event of injury and looked after in retirement. But that does not solve the problem of all the dogs that don't make the grade and who just disappear. So we are back with would have to be policed very strictly and what about unofficial tracks. It would only be a small part of the answer.

Horse racing is actually just as bad but we dont see the wastage there as it is perfectly legit to ship your horses off to other countries as food or for the pet food industry.


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I am so angry I am nearly crying, I remember when Powderhall closed greyhounds were being found dumped with their ears cut off and this was reported in the local newspapers. I remember being so shocked and horrified by this as like everyone else around that time knew nothing about this "sport" and any greyhounds I saw I (please forgive me for this) I thought were weird looking. There was no internet then but I managed to ask around about it more and knew then which was early 90's maybe??? not sure, anyway I knew that one day I would have a greyhound.

Then when we came back to the Uk in 2001 we worked in London, I opened the Mirror one day and the middle pages were splattered photo's of the greys and galgos all hanging by their necks while grinning Spaniards posed for the camera, I nearly threw up. As soon as I was able to work part time I got Rufus. etc etc.

This man is clearly an idiot, for either believing this utter s@*t or thinking it's funny to provoke people who care, and no doubt labelling them as animal right "loonies". AAAAAAAAGH. MUST.....CALM....DOWN.

On a lighter note I think that sighthounds/ greys in particular are THE most graceful and beautiful dogs in the world, even when they are upside down grinning.

And relax.........

Jacks
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silverhippo wrote:


I think that if there was the correct legislation in place maybe things would be better but it would have to be across the whole industry.




Good post. It is the scale of the problem that is daunting and the idea of having to get cross-industry legislation put in place is something I can't get enthuasisatic or hopeful about....but the idea of making one stadium that treats dogs brilliantly, educates the general public about greyhounds, encourages them to adopt greyhounds and lets them see the spectacle of them racing is something I'd like to be part of. Again, maybe I'm being hopelessly naive in even imagining it can be done.

I have no moral or ethical qualms about people betting, though I don't think I'd be too fast to put a bet on.



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Good grief, they let anyone be a journalist these days. Here was me thinking you had to research and reference your sources when all along you just have to waffle a load of s***. I notice he's been challenged to visit a rescue centre for greys, some how i doubt he'll swallow his pride and appologise or visit. It's opinions like these in daily 'rags' that influence the masses.
High amounts of excercise ha. No chance, Summer has been for her morning walk 8 hours ago and as she is currently in a semi vegetative state on the futon is unlikely to move until mooching time when the dinner is on, then out for another walk in about 6 hours from now.
Non researched journalism like this is why I don't buy papers anymore. Except to line the parrot cage with lol.

Vent over...... time for a cuppa

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Is this balloon related to Peter Monteith the racehorse trainerevileye

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I would point out Brian Menteith is not a journalist, he is a columnist in a local paper who gets to voice his ill-informed views regardless of facts. I personally do not think for a second Meadowbank will be a racing stadium, the whole point of it closing is that its far more valuable to edinburgh City Council as property. It will soon be luxury flats.
His comments concern me as much as the recent Kennel Club list of 'endangered breeds' which claimed greyhounds were endangered because they only registered 49 last year! That was reported in some of our esteemed broadsheets as fact and made my blood boil because, of course, they were talking aboutshowdogs, not racing dogs and implying they were dying outfurious.gif

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I remember that article about endangered breeds, It was pointed out to me by my friend at the RSPCA who was also spitting blood, as at that point there were over 30 greys in the shelter, bearing in mind it's a regular shelter not exclusively greys, and there isn't even a racecourse in York. She and I both wrote to the kennel club for what it was worth. Which was nowt, of course.

Also we met a "show greyhound" breed on Sunday at Celias greyhound walk, he was stunning but completely different to the others, huge, narrower i think and with a more pronounced brow and shorter snout. Very bonny. And had a racing grey as a sister. Both clearly adored by their mum.

Jacks
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