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this from a very well researched american site....a facinating read - essential for all!
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Jolly Joints

Good parents want the best and longest life for their children. Greyhound parents are no exception. Just about every greyhound has joint issues - Osteoarthritis, also called Degenerative Joint Disease (DJD), is the most common. Broken hocks and toes, spinal injuries, disk compressions and calcifications, ruptured cruciate ligaments, spondylitis and other joint and neurological issues are appearing as more greyhounds find their way to loving homes and longer lives.

My most favorite topic of discourse on greyhound health is arthritis. The majority have it. You might not notice it as it may not have progressed to a point where pain is evident, and they might be stoic and not telling you - but they are feeling it. The wear and tear from training, racing, and living in crates wreaks havoc on the joints and cartilage. It's visible in the hundreds of greyhounds that have passed through the Gang's home. It's visible in all those dogs walking Dewey Beach each year. Greyhounds, in particular, need help to ease the pain in those joints.

Analogy
Here's an analogy for a very basic joint/cartilage summary. You're sitting on the wood floor. It's hard and inflexible. You put a pillow under you, and it's softer and more comfortable. The longer you use that pillow, the less plump it becomes as it suffers the trauma of you using it (some more vigorously than others), and the dog pulling pieces out of it (some more vigorously than others), and the more you start to feel the hard floor, and it hurts.

As we and our pets age, we just don't have that "plumpness" of youth. Bones creak from wear and tear, from lack of fluids to cusion them, and from inflammation. Your joints and bones need the cushion provided by the articular cartilage.

Cartilage is made up for water, collagen and some complex proteins. Age and wear and tear degrade this cartilage just like a pillow loses its cushiony plumpness. The joint capsule, which produces (synovial) fluids, encloses the joints and its cavities nourishing the cartilage. When damage occurs, repeatedly, enzymes erode cartilage, synovial fluid loses its lubricating quality and the cycle just escalates.


As you read this list of natural supplements, which can help retard and correct this arthritic degradation, please understand that this is information based on research and knowledge gleaned from hundreds of greyhounds passing through the Gang on their way to their forever homes. Consulting a qualified traditional vet and holistic vet is always a good idea. I consult with a few vets at all times, because not all vets have the same knowledge base; and I use the internet. The more information I have and the more educated I am on the subject, the best help I can give my dog. A traditional vet will prescribe traditional medicines like buffered aspirin, rimadyl, prednisone for arthritis. These medicines will provide pain relief, but they will only mask the problem, not correct it. From my experiences with arthritis, I prefer to try and fix the problem by using more natural methods first.

This list (which is always mutating) is what I give to any greyhound that has trained, raced or broken something. (I also use this for all the spinal/disk injuries evident as greyhounds age.) I start with the first supplement - glucosamine, and add and subtract as I watch the dogs and their reactions. You can even give when no signs are visibly present, but other issues present themselves - like broken hocks, toes, racing career, age, etc. Preventative care, as well as treatment of current aches and pains, is always a good idea.

The web has lots of technical information about how and why these supplements work. This article will not go into detail about why this stuff works. You can find that information on the internet. These natural supplements have the ability to replenish the fluids, decrease the inflammation, and stop enzymes from killing all the good cells. These herbal remedies have been used for centuries by the Chinese and Europeans, and in the past years Americans are finally starting to see the value of these supplements. Do give them a try for it's a win-win situation for you and your dogs. They are inexpensive, and they can truly make a difference.

Products That Work
Glucosamine HCL - To help repair cartilage, replenish synovial fluids. A natural amino sugar from shellfish. One of the basic building blocks of cartilage, it aids in joint lubrication. Athletes have used glucosamine for centuries. It can reverse the degenerative process, not just mask it.
Dose: 1500 mgs a day for a dog over 50 lbs.
Two months minimum, daily

Chondroitin - Bovine or Shark -Rich in gycosaminoglycans, or mucopolysaccharides, large macro molecules found in joints, blood vessels and organs. It helps restore cartilage and lubrication. Anecdotal evidence for reduction of cancerous tumors.
Dose: 800 - 3000 mgs a day
Two months minimum, daily


MSM - Methylsulfonylmethane
Natural form of organic sulfur that supplies a dietary sulfur, which plays a major role in stabilizing and promoting numerous body functions. Most noted for its anti-inflammatory properties. Recommended with Glucosamine HCL and Calcium Ascorbate.
1000 - 2000 mgs a day


Calcium Ascorbate - Vitamin C
Calcium Ascorbate (Ester C tm) is created to be more easily absorbed by the body. It has anti-inflammatory properties, and is essential for the maintenance of connective tissue, collegan and bone health.
Dose - to bowel tolerance


CMO - Cetyl Myristoleate
CMO is an ester made from adding a cetyl alcohol molecule to the 14-carbon chain fatty acid myristoleic acid. It lubricates, reduces inflammation, regulates the immune systems, and reduces pain. Recommended with Glucosamine HCL and Digestive Enzymes.


Omega 3's - For antioxidants and inflammation, and skin.
As needed or daily

Acupuncture - monthly or more often as needed

Chiropractic - monthly or more often as needed

Massage - daily.


Velvet Elk Antler - www.qeva.com
For joints, as needed


Other herbal tinctures:

Www.herbsforanimals.com
www.azmira.com

Adequan - A very intensive application of glucosamine. Six shots over a month's time frame.
Expensive when done by your vet.


Other ways to help arthritic Dogs
Dogs getting into cars
Help your dog. Spot them. Have them put their front feet up and then you put your hand underneath their belly, and behind their butt and gently move them forward into the car. It doesn't hurt you, and doesn't hurt them. It helps their spines with the wear and tear of jumping into a car. Or get a ramp or steps made.

Walking
Don't take your dogs for a longer walk than they can handle. Don't make them stand forever while you are busy talking to a neighbor, doing Meet & Greets etc. Always bring a bed for them to lay down on at Meet & Greets.

Bedding
While any soft, deep surface is coveted by greyhounds. Egg Crate mattresses with lots of padding (comforters, blankets etc.), and heated beds are helpful for arthritic dogs.

Natural Feeding
History shows that dogs are not grain eating animals. Yet all kibble is basically grain based. My belief is that kibble was created for the ease of humans, and not in the best interest of hounds. I have seen a significant difference in my greyhounds since I started feeding natural foods. The web has lots of information on this.


Caveats:

1. Not all supplements are created equal, and you want to make sure you are getting a good product. Bottle should say standardized, high quality, and disclose complete information. Bottle should tell you how much and what is in each pill. Look also for testing information. Get Up & Go provides all of this, at the most inexpensive prices. (www.drtheo.com reviews glucosamine/chondroitin products; www.consumerreports.org also reviews supplements)

2. Dog supplements are just human supplements repackaged. No difference, just the price. You can buy good products for your dog (and you) at Get Up & Go, health food stores, and even Wal-Mart. Check the labels closely on items bought in grocery stores and warehouses - they might not be high-quality and a waste of money and time. Supplements bought in vet offices are usually high quality, but also very expensive because of the distribution chain.

3. Glucosamine in food or treats is NOT enough to help most arthritic situations. 1500 mgs a day (for a dog over 50 lbs.) is needed initially, and you will not get that from glucosamine baked in food. I'm not even sure glucosamine retains its efficacy when baked. In my opinion, those products are just using it as a marketing ploy.

4. My review of the studies indicates that Glucosamine HCL is a better product than Glucosamine Sulfate. It only goes through one process, and so the efficacy of the glucosamine is much higher per mg. My anecdotal evidence shows that Glucosamine HCL is the foundation for any joint care, and then other products can be used in conjunction with it.

5. Every dog is an individual, and what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for another. You need to try, and monitor and judge, and make decisions based on your observations and your intuition. If you are trying to help, you will.

6. When any of my greyhounds have a health issue, I become an expert in my own mind.
All the information presented here is knowledge gleaned from research and first hand. I am not a vet, though I pretend to be one many times.


Please don't let arthritis debilitate your dog. Give your dog the opportunity to romp and cockroach and play bow. The suggestions above can help, and keep your dog (and you) alive longer and in better health.






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I've just read with interest this article.  We're off to the vet with Keera as I think she has the onset of arthritis.  She is yelping every time she stands up.


My mum has always been a great believer in Glucosamine and used it with her dogs when arthritis took hold (in all of them eventually).


I've also been reading about the doggie pjs - and suddenly have become obsessed with thinking I need to get some as Keera may be freezing through the night with her arthritic legs stiffening up.


I take it the advice is see the vet, get the glucosamine and wrap her up.  We take her on lots of long walks, recently in the rain (but wrapped up), but wondered whether this would make her worse.  She appears to love it and never seems in any pain out on the walks.


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Hi Carol

Blue seemed to be getting some pain in his shoulder joints the day after long walks. We found a huge difference when we changed his food to Arden Grange which has Glucosamine added to it. With the extra treat of mackeral or sardines on his tea every now and then he seems a lot happier.

Certainly getting the vet to check Keera is a good idea but if she seems to get worse I have heard about and seen the great results dogs can get from wearing magnetic collars.



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Hi Carol,


Whistler has arthritis and it generally gets worse as the weather becomes colder.  It is a condition that fluctuates so Keera may have good days and bad days if she has arthritis. One of the reasons why Whistler wears his jammies is to keep him warm as this helps him from stiffening up so much.  He also wears an outdoor coat on walks when it's cold and/or wet.


If Keera has arthritis then it might be a case of trial and error with meds until you find one to suit her.  Whistler's arthritis didn't respond very well to Rimadyl but we found that Zubrin works a treat.  We can 'up' or lower the dose as and when he needs it to suit the fluctuations in his arthritis.


Arden Grange is a very good food as Manda says because it contains a good supply of Glucosamine. We also feed Whistler oily fish, cod liver oil capsules and other supplements to help keep his arthritis at bay. It is perfectly ok to mix supplements with prescribed medication.  Just be careful with other medications, but your vet will tell you this.


We walk Whistler just as far as the other two, but he doesn't get to run about too daft as this puts stress on the joints, which is ok as he just really likes to sniff about when off the lead.  We were also advised not to go hill walking with him as this too stresses the joints.


I have to say that, although I was a wee bit panicked when I first found out he had arthritis, it hasn't changed what we do with Whistler at all really, and hey, if he feels fit enough to go off after a squirrel one day then I'm not going to stop him. He will  know his own limitations.


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Fiddie has a stiff, right shoulder from his racing days and from that, his back legs got rather stiff.  It didn't help the matter when I was having a nosey around the posh houses and got back 2 hours later - please don't get angry, it was a lovely day and we kept walking - anyway, he got very stiff, and to be honest became lame for a couple of days and so I felt a sick as a pig!!


Well, I phoned the Pet Therapy Clinic - veterinary rehabiliation and complementary therapies - as I was afraid that he was developing arthritis or some conditions of the bones, joints.  I got him booked in for the McTimoney Chiropractic method on Monday - well, he is so, so bouncy and full of life. 


I was watching the practitioner at work and knew prior to the works that the left hand side of his body was higher than the right handside.  After inspection, it was found that because of his right shoulder injury his clavicle had dropped and part of his neck; 3/4 way down his spine, it was twisted to the left and so his back legs were also out of alignement.  Carfully going down the vertebrae, from each corrective movement, I could see Fiddie actually stretching out and growing longer - the dog is now a different dog and looks so much happier.


The Pet Therapy Clinic offers hydrotherapy; physiotherapy; osteopathy & cranial osteopathy; chrirpactor; acupuncture; reiki as well as behaviour counselling; dog & cat grooming and equine therapies - very, very good.  they can be contacted on 0141 429 0019 or www.pettherapy.co.uk and are based at 78 Stanley Street, Kinnining Park, Glasgow.


We also give our dogs cod liver oil (daily) and oily fish (3-4 times/ week).


I wish you all the best with your dog, but it may be of benefit also supplementing what you are doing with complementary therapies.


Regards


Iluska & Andy & Coco & Fiddie



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Thanks for the advice.  I've taken heed!


Keera loves her long walks and it keeps us fit, the longer she walks the more chilled out she gets and stops eyeballing every passing animal. 


I like the sound of the clinic!  Wouldn't mind a bit of that myself.


 



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Took the Fidd-meister to the Pet Therapy Clinic where the mctimoney method of chiropractor was carried out on my big boy.  Due to his shoulder area and the way he was holding himself this had sent him out of alignement from his neck down to the last two thirds of his spine and then it had twisted the other way.


Holding Fiddie's head while the work was being carried out, I could actually see for myself that with every movement his spine was being re-aligned - fantastic!!  Then the chap went and did his legs and their ankles/ wrists and a further difference was then observed. 


Fiddie is so trusting and when holding his head it really looked like his eyes were clouding over and that he was crying, I was just praying that everything was going to be ever so good and that indeed he wasn't suffering during the treatment.  This sort of treatment is very light and does not hurt, well certainly not for humans which both Andy and I can state.


Anyway, after returning home with him and then going to work and returning, a new dog!!! Honest to goodness - he was extra fully of beans - this hasn't stopped and that is now almost one week on. Fiddie walks very well and looks good, not lop-sided - yep, I study his sxy backend as he walks, wee snake hips that he is.


The dog has had a new lease of life and I am so glad that we visisted.  We of course have to monitor him to see that he doesn't lose his alignement, but if that happens, just return to the Pet Therapy Clinic - as you would if you were human (mmm... think we are, but of course not to PT Clinic to a human - rambling)


 



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Not quite sure whats up with Keera yet.  Vet gave us Metacam to use till next Friday.  Her legs are fine its her back the vet is worried about.  If theres no change next Friday after taking the Metacam we've to take her in for x-rays.  So fingers crossed the Metacam works. 


Carol


 


 



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We took Tiger and Chad out for a whoppa of a walk yesturday and they both seemed to thoroughly enjoy it until we got near home when Tiger developed a limp on one of the the back legs.


Ok it really was a long walk and we even went prepared with a flask of tea and some water and bowls for them. It was however, probably too far. He is used to our marathons at weekends but this was one of the biggest yet. I would be interested to hear how far others walk with their dogs.


Tig is a little less limpy today and he showed his usual enthusiasm for the morning walk at 7.30 which my other half takes him on before work, we considered keeping him in while Chad went alone but thought he would be very upset. He is however, still limping and this is the leg he damaged while racing.


He is 7 and although he seems like a young dog to us, after losing Charlie, I guess he is not getting any younger. Do you think that this could be arthritis? He is happy and waggy and eating and there is really no change. He doesn't even cry out when he is on it. None of my others have ever suffered in this way and the first one lived to 14 (maybe we were lucky).


I will get him checked over and get some of the tablets mentioned above but it really worries me when they are ill and after the last few weeks - losing one dog it feels  quite scary to have another develop an illness. Will keep you posted.


 


 



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