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Hi, not sure if any of you will have watchted the programme shown on BBC3 but I wanted to ask your opinion of something that was raised on the programme.


The 'hard nut' trainer advised one of the people with a dog never to stroke/pat him on the chest because the only time a dog feels this is when its in a dominant position (getting friendly with other dogs)!!  Apparently avoiding this type of affection helps prevent sending the dog the message of him being 'pack leader'. 


I have a female dog and do pat her on her chest when she rolls onto her back, has anyone heard of this being a thing which may start bad/boisterous behaviour?


Cheers
Carole x


PS Any stupid questions come from the fact I'm a first time dog owner - can you tell?? :)



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Hi, Carole

Pearly will roll over onto her tummy for a nice rub every single time she catches our eye. And we're happy to oblige! Harry loves to have his tummy tickled too, and will encourage us if we stop. They get their tummies and chests tickled, scratched, rubbed and raspberries blown on them many times every single day! Neither of them are problem dogs, they both like to please us and generally they're very well-behaved.

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Fiona

ps: thought you might enjoy this piccie of Pearly having her tummy tickled in the garden - check out that massive grin! Says it all, really.



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Blowing raspberries on Dexter and Kai send them into a excited/playing frenzy, Abbey just loves the attention. Look as if your even going to move Florance and she starts lip smacking out of sheer terror. Did it once (and only time) and she screamed/yipped/growled then wet herself....wee soul.


She does enjoy (as do the rest) a good old chest rub tho like Pearly and Harry.


 



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Hi Carole,


That's a new one on me to!! Don't know where they got that one from or if there's any truth in it but i've never had a problem with any dog i've had.


 I think Neo would pack up his lead and dog bowl and move out if i stopped rubbing his chest and tummy!!


 



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agree with all of the above.  i've never known a dog not to like having his/her tummy and chest rubbed - they love it and the don't get aggressive or dominant.  in fact, it usually reduces them to a quivering pile of soppiness !

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I occasionally watch that dog borstal, and i have heard them saying that. Its only probably meant for really dominant or problem dogs. All my dogs love getting their bellies and chests rubbed and it doesnt affect them. If you believed everything you heard on tv you'd never do anything lol


I dont really like that guy anyway i think he is really harsh on the dogs. I always think reward training is best and my dogs always respond better to rewards so i wont be taking his advice



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my memory is failing in my old age but I'm sure at some point I was told that to stroke a dog on it's chest was a very reasuring thing to do to it - when I'm meeting a new or scared dog I always crouch down in front of it so I'm at their level and stroke their chests..

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...also meant to say I've never seen 'dog borstal' but I wouldn't watch it out of principal, the name says it all really..

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Thanks for all the replies, I'm sure Brook will appreciate the fact that I will NOT stop rubbing her chest!


Carole x



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Thinking about it, if a dog rolls over to have his or her tummy tickled then they're actually putting themselves into a very vulnerable position, with their underbellies and throats exposed. Hardly the actions of a dog hellbent on getting its superiority over to us hoomans!

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Just a bit off topic but Pearly certainly looks happy in that pic Fiona, the grin on her face is priceless...what a beautiful girl.

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Haven't watched the programme (not really interested, the title is awful as some of you already noted) - did they mean stroking the chest while the dog is on its back, or while it's standing next to you? Surely the 'dominant' association could only happen while it's standing. I've never heard that one before anyhow, though, and it sounds a bit stoopid.

Here's my bit of advice though - never stroke a dog's tummy before checking its gender... as someone used to female hounds, I've had a bad habit of just reaching underneath. Urgh!

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Anyanka wrote:


Here's my bit of advice though - never stroke a dog's tummy before checking its gender... as someone used to female hounds, I've had a bad habit of just reaching underneath. Urgh!


brilliant!!!  Just love it!!

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After his breakfast in the morning, Biscuit comes through to say "thanks" - he wipes his damp face and beard on my trousers, and then will stand until I rub his chest and he has a burp......... who says I baby him too much?

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I've been testing this chest-rubbing stuff ever since I've seen this post. 


Daisy doesn't care if she's roaching or standing - she likes the chest rub either way.


Dave can't roach so he tends to stand next to me for the chest rub, or I do it while he's laying on his side.  Either is ok by him.


My conclusion - they love it and it has had no detrimental effects so far.  I haven't noticed any particular aggression or dominant behaviour from either of them. 


I don't know how true this one is but I was told that male dogs respond well to chest rubs because it's the part of their body that is stimulated when they are mating


Scientific test complete and telly programme rubbish, as any dog-lover would know



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I sometimes watch Dog Borstal and disagree with most of what is said! We have a border collie dog and a collie/corgi cross bitch and they both love a rub on the chest, it often sends Gem (border collie) to sleep!! Rosie prefers a good tummy tickle!

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I agree mine (god nearly wrote 'my two' - deep breath) have always liked a good old belly rub. I thought I would be the only soppy human who blew rasberrys on a bald chest!


Chad rolls on his back and starts kicking you (on the chair) with his legs if you stop rubbing him while watching t.v.If you don't rub enough he starts licking your hands. Tig liked it too and could not roll (I never understood why because all the others have) but he used to really try to roll for a chest rub! Charlie used to be on his back getting a rub and wagging so his tail hit the wooden floor under the carpet.He used to make quite a noise!


As for Dog borstal I watched it once and turned it off because the man on there is the only aggressive thing on the program.lol


Em and Lord Chad x



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Em, my Dave can't roach either - not sure why tho, unless it's because he has a very deep chest and it's something to do with his balance.  Daisy, however, does nothing but roach !

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