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Chad went out for a walk yesturday around our local beauty spot (a lake). We had a lovely afternoon and were quite relaxed and happy looking at the countryside and saw a green woodpecker and a yellow wag tail.I normally hold the lead but yesturday Kevin took him as the eczema on my hands was sore.


We just came out of a wooded area and were about to join the path back when a bearded collie ran up to Chad and made an aggressive move on him. As quick as a wink Chad struck out and bit the other dog. He then spat out a huge mouthful of the collie's fur. I was shocked but am always very careful with him after he bit a labrador that got a bit too amorous with him (it was male).


Once again I had the thought that I should have muzzled him, but had I been on the other end of the lead I would have been a lot more in control than Kevin was. He has now seen first hand how naughty Chad can be with other dogs (I am always on my own when something frightening happens. Like a loose small dog coming up to us) and Kevin will now be adopting my don't give him an inch approach in future. I apologised to the Collies owner who was most pleasant about it, the collie was loose and did growl first.


The morale of the tale for me is to always hold the lead myself and don't trust anyone else with him!


Em and Chad xx



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Personally, I think the moral of the story is to watch out for tw@tty dog-owners who let their dogs run around willy-nilly! Sounds like there was nothing much that could be done and you mustn't beat yourself up about it. After all, Chad was under control on a lead.

This is a bit of a bugbear for me. Harry is funny with other dogs too, not out of aggression but anxiety. We muzzle him if we go somewhere with loads of other dogs around but not in the fields we take him to, in the middle of nowhere. It does irritate me exceedingly when people let their dogs run up to him. Steve is a lot more laid-back about it than I am, but I think it's just plain rude and I get really cross. Thankfully, most people we see on a regular basis are very considerate and tend to call their dogs back. Apart from one elderly lady with a gobby little ****er spaniel that is......

emma wrote:


The morale of the tale for me is to always hold the lead myself and don't trust anyone else with him!


Em and Chad xx





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The same happened with Dan not so long ago. We normally muzzle him when out and about, especially where there are loads of dogs, but we went to the beach recently and as there was no-one around we felt it was okay for him not to be muzzled. Then, from miles away, a black lab came bounding over, straight up to him and trying to be playful. Needless to say Dan wasn't a happy boy and took a bite. Thankfully it was just all fur he got and by the time the owners got over to us we had it under control. Dan wasn't muzzled but he was on the lead. The other dogs owners were very apologetic.


As with Harry it seems that Dan's problem is anxiety/fear aggression so having dogs off the lead approach him is frustrating. Thankfully most local dog owners here are responsible too so we don't have many problems with loose, keen dogs.



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Hi Emma


Sounds like there wasn't much that could have been done to prevent that happening - if other people's dogs insist on shoving themeselves into Chad's face and being growly, what can they expect!


My brother's spaniel was crashing about like a bull in a china shop when we met them one day and was trying to play with Tigger.  She was on a lead but, as she was getting a bit excited and carried away, I shortened the lead.  After having to shorten it another twice because spaniel was still charging about under her nose and she was swiping at him with her paws, I was getting a bit fed up and about to suggest my brother try getting his dog under control.  I wasn't quick enough and spaniel charged straight at Tigger and leapt at her face.  She then nipped him, he squealed, rounded on her and I had to pull Tigger out of the way.  Brother was a bit off with me (and my dogs) for a while but has come round again now. 


It is horrible though when they come away with a mouthful of hair - Wills has done that and it is so embarrassing having to apologise to the other owner (even if it was their dog that was being a nuisance). 


Chin up.  It's happened to lots of us!


Karen 



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It really gets my goat up these owners that have their dogs off lead and not under control, OK I'm not saying their dogs are a huge danger but for me 'under control' means the dog comes back on command no questions asked and the owner certainly doesn't let it go bounding up to other dogs that are on lead. To lash out is just instinctive - turn the tables, if you are walking down your local high street and some ned covered in burberry comes tanking full pelt towards you what would you do???...


Anyways just wanted to say gobby ****er spaniel again, I love the way the forum censors it LOL



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thanks guys,


Fiona - you had me laughing out loud with your post.I share your feelings totally but would never use any bad language on the forum for fear of being told off! I too find people with dogs that will not recall very annoying. Down here they seem to look at you struggling to stop your dog devouring their (usually tiny) dog - and do nothing. Or see you trying to fend their larger dog off - and again do nothing! I just do not understand the mentality ( except to think it is just another part of society that will not take responsibility - on that topic I could rant on for hours!) on more than one occasion I have had to ask people to come and collect their dogs! Don't get me started on the manners - I find it rude to not assist me by at least trying to get their dogs!


Dave- Down here we call them Chav's but you also made me laugh. I cannot stand them - I thought you may be chav free up there - unfortunately now I realise that is not the case! I will have to find some other peaceful place to retire to. My boys both hate chavs and the youngest is always having fights with them, usually years older than him! He has grown his hair long wears grungy clothes and can out skateboard anyone. Useful since he knows every come-back in my book (which could be the undoing of him if they ever catch him!). 


Em and Chad (that's Chad not Chav) xx


 



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Don't feel guilty Emma, not your fault or Chad's.... If any of us allow our dogs to run up to another that is on a lead we would all have to accept that these things can happen. Chad was under control so you did all you needed to.

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emma wrote:


  I thought you may be chav free up there - unfortunately now I realise that is not the case!  



This made me laugh so much! Linlithgow, saturday night place full of drunken neds!! Well annoy me. I dont fight, I run! Neds are a big no-no!


Anyway, I wouldnt worry too much about ChaD(!!) Its only normal to defend himself. As for dogs under control, our recalls arent great, but they arent a danger to other dogs, usually. Gem, our collie is dreadful on the lead. He will try to pick a fight with any dog. Also if he's off lead he will try to fight with other dogs that are on the lead, but if hes off he's much better. I think its fear aggresion, but careless dog owners should accept the consequences.



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Not a lot you can do when your is under control and the aggressive one isn't. It's one of my pet hates. Last year Lenny, my then nearly 10 year old grey, was attacked by two staffies. The bitch decided to launch herself at him and her male companion joined in. I won't mention my reaction. The owners had to beat them off. I've never been so angry. Lenny may be a grump at times, but with large boisterous dogs. He's never actaully attacked as he just growly barks when he's pissed off. He managed to escape serious injury and was a very lucky boy. He's had the odd incident with dogs having a go and he's always run but this time he did try to fight back. Maybe he knew if he didn't he'd be mincemeat. I bumped into them earlier this year. The dogs were loose and no muzzles. I confronted them and they denied it all. Oh, should say they did pop them on their leads. They tried to blame Rosie for causeing it (she was 20 to 30 foot away). I was livid. Told them if it ever happens again I'd make sure I got bit and I'd get them put to sleep. I wouldn't though. Just got angry with them as they just don't give a toss about anyone elses dog. Want them to take responsibility. I asked around at the time and nearly every one I spoke to had had problems with these two dogs.


Some months later Rosie was attacked and chased by a different staffi bitch. After what happened to Lenny I wasn't amused to say the least. The guy managed to get hold of it but another one was beside Lenny. "That one's ok she doesn't fight" he said. I saw red. Said that he obvioulsy knows the other one was so where the hell was it's muzzle. No answer. If I had a yorkie I wouldn't have a dog any more. No answer. Don't think the guy knew what to say. Ranted on about him having a responibility to other peoples dogs.


I know there are probably many nice staffies but I hate bumping into them. I scan the horizon constantly. Half of you are thinking I was very brave or maybe very stupid! 



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